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		<title>Zhukuram at 17:37, 14 May 2018</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Involuntary &lt;/del&gt;Promotion&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Promotion &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;and Opt-Out&lt;/ins&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Assisting in any activity that gives the message &amp;quot;you have helped your faction&amp;quot; will add n-points to an invisible bucket.  Once you hit the &amp;quot;promotion threshold&amp;quot; you will be promoted even if you are not &amp;quot;participating&amp;quot; in the faction game.   Donating directly to a technology will add points.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Assisting in any activity that gives the message &amp;quot;you have helped your faction&amp;quot; will add n-points to an invisible bucket.  Once you hit the &amp;quot;promotion threshold&amp;quot; you will be promoted even if you are not &amp;quot;participating&amp;quot; in the faction game.   Donating directly to a technology will add &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;points. Passing tests or initiations gives faction &lt;/ins&gt;points.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;It appears that it doesn't take too many donations &lt;/del&gt;to get the &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;promotion.  Even small donations of 1-5 boards &lt;/del&gt;will &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;do it over time&lt;/del&gt;.   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The only way &lt;/ins&gt;to get &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;un promoted&amp;quot; is to not do anything that grants faction points until &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;next &amp;quot;faction report card&amp;quot; is published and you &lt;/ins&gt;will &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;be marked as &amp;quot;demoted&amp;quot; provided you are already on the threshold for status change&lt;/ins&gt;.   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The only way to get &amp;quot;un promoted&amp;quot; &lt;/del&gt;is &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;to not donate anything until &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;next &amp;quot;faction report card&amp;quot; is published &lt;/del&gt;and &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;you &lt;/del&gt;will be &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;marked as &amp;quot;demoted&amp;quot;&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;  This of course will invite all and sundry to check your /info looking for &lt;/del&gt; &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;a reason to kick you from the region. Elders are not restricted to kicking apostates only. It is only by Elder affirmations &lt;/del&gt;that &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;they won't kick demoted/initiate players or players that just irritate them&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;You can opt-out of the promotion cycle at the Faction Great Hall.  Your status will remain whatever it &lt;/ins&gt;is &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;at &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;time you opt-out &lt;/ins&gt;and &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;the points bucket &lt;/ins&gt;will be &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;frozen in the current status&lt;/ins&gt;.  &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;No activities &lt;/ins&gt;that &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;grant faction points will be applied&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;There is currently no method of &amp;quot;declining promotion&amp;quot; as mentioned in the chat.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;May 2018&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Updated &lt;/ins&gt;May &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt; 14 &lt;/ins&gt;2018&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Zhukuram: Created page with &quot;So to be upfront: I am no fan of the Faction System.  &quot;Apostate Kicks&quot;  In Kush, the policy of the current Elders is to kick any &quot;apostate&quot; level player.  At the current state...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;So to be upfront: I am no fan of the Faction System.  &amp;quot;Apostate Kicks&amp;quot;  In Kush, the policy of the current Elders is to kick any &amp;quot;apostate&amp;quot; level player.  At the current state...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;So to be upfront: I am no fan of the Faction System.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Apostate Kicks&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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In Kush, the policy of the current Elders is to kick any &amp;quot;apostate&amp;quot; level player.  At the current state of the game  apostate status is gained only by teaching a tech to another faction.  More than 12 &amp;quot;alts&amp;quot; have been kicked so far and the prevailing view is that these 12 are only &amp;quot;Technology Spys&amp;quot; created solely for the purpose of obtaining Kush based techs and passing them to non-Kush faction players.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is unknown what status an &amp;quot;former apostate&amp;quot; has with their potential new faction (2 possible: HY and MW) if they bring in new techs. Is this a major &amp;quot;coup&amp;quot; for the player or if it has no status value in the system&lt;br /&gt;
* It would be entirely within the PVP/RVR concept to have a &amp;quot;spy&amp;quot; become the &amp;quot;hero&amp;quot; for gaining valuable information from the other team. &lt;br /&gt;
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The method of 'finding' these offending players is to scan and data mine the &amp;quot;regional reporter&amp;quot; tab to watch for promotions and demotions.  Then a quick /info on the demoted players name to check their account status and if active then they are summarily kicked.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Involuntary Promotion&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Assisting in any activity that gives the message &amp;quot;you have helped your faction&amp;quot; will add n-points to an invisible bucket.  Once you hit the &amp;quot;promotion threshold&amp;quot; you will be promoted even if you are not &amp;quot;participating&amp;quot; in the faction game.   Donating directly to a technology will add points. &lt;br /&gt;
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It appears that it doesn't take too many donations to get the promotion.  Even small donations of 1-5 boards will do it over time.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The only way to get &amp;quot;un promoted&amp;quot; is to not donate anything until the next &amp;quot;faction report card&amp;quot; is published and you will be marked as &amp;quot;demoted&amp;quot;.   This of course will invite all and sundry to check your /info looking for  a reason to kick you from the region. Elders are not restricted to kicking apostates only. It is only by Elder affirmations that they won't kick demoted/initiate players or players that just irritate them.&lt;br /&gt;
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There is currently no method of &amp;quot;declining promotion&amp;quot; as mentioned in the chat.&lt;br /&gt;
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May 2018&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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