Citrus Tree Data

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In the interest of gathering data for each citrus type, please add to the charts below as you grow trees of each type. Tale Seven, Lilyoptra managed to determine the "ideal values" for each citrus type. This ideal leads to each citrus type (numbers closest to the ideal values for that fruit) and citrus adjectives (the value of those four which is farthest from the ideal for that fruit). For more detailed information on her work, please refer to: https://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Citrus_Tree_Data . I am going with her theory that "A tree is determined by taking the sum of the squares of the differences between the tree's attributes and each fruit's ideal attributes".

In language that I can understand a little easier:
One tree's actual values are put through this formula, comparing it to each tree type's ideal values. The result that gives the lowest number determines which tree species you've got.

(The difference between the actual color and the ideal color) squared
plus
(The difference between the actual sweetness and the ideal sweetness) squared
plus
(The difference between the actual size and the ideal size) squared
plus
(The difference between the actual length and the ideal length) squared

Of those four differences, the one which is farthest from ideal determines the fruit's adjective.

Amanatsu

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Small	279	650	702	756
Tangy	279	650	739	756

Range for Amanatsu ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Buddha's Hand

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Greenish	486	728	612	533
Greenish	325	650	642	621
Greenish	486	650	642	533
Greenish	515	650	642	533
Greenish	515	650	727	533
Greenish	335	650	621	621
Greenish	325	617	642	533
Large	667	650	811	533
Large	718	696	893	533
Large	637	650	822	533
Large	775	843	1000	686
Large	835	853	1000	714
Long	754	650	733	621
Long	624	650	642	587
Long	676	650	642	587
Long	760	735	900	716
Long	832	853	900	714
Reddish	637	650	822	533
Reddish	676	650	705	480
Reddish	676	650	705	534
Reddish	676	650	757	533
Reddish	687	650	754	533
Reddish	718	712	811	533
Reddish	718	696	692	533
Reddish	730	650	642	587
Reddish	740	650	642	587
Small	676	650	642	533
Small	701	650	642	441
Small	710	650	642	437
Small	730	782	612	533
Small	486	650	518	533
Small	486	698	518	573
Tangy	676	509	642	533
Tangy	678	509	642	533
Tangy	676	457	679	533
Tangy	489	457	623	542
Reddish	799	853	900	591
Reddish	855	670	900	591
Reddish	855	700	900	591
Reddish	855	752	900	591
Reddish	799	800	900	591
Reddish	855	710	900	591
Reddish	799	840	900	591
Reddish	799	809	900	591
Reddish	799	700	900	591
Reddish	939	650	715	533
Reddish	885	650	686	449
Reddish	867	650	900	591
Reddish	865	650	900	513
Reddish	865	650	900	533
Reddish	865	650	612	449
Reddish	865	644	686	513
Reddish	939	650	900	533
Reddish	885	551	828	533
Reddish	922	650	735	533
Reddish	885	650	828	498
Reddish	885	650	828	542
Reddish	915	650	900	498
Reddish	881	650	686	498
Reddish	879	650	900	533
Reddish	897	551	900	498
Reddish	939	650	593	533
Reddish	885	650	1000	533

Attempting to come to some conclusions about ideal values for Buddha's Hand. (Pardon me while I think out loud and ramble a bit!) It is one of the starter fruits, so we have more data to look at. There are two sets of "Small" fruits which help a lot. I checked with the grower, and yes, the numbers are accurate.

• Small: 710 color, 650 sweet, 642 size, 437 length <-- 642 size is very common so far, but this fruit is one where 642 size is the farthest from ideal, making the other three values closer to ideal.
• Small: 730 color, 782 sweet, 612 size, 533 length <-- This fruit has the highest sweetness we've seen, and very high color, but "small" is still the value farthest from its ideal

Range for Buddha's Hand ideal values:

• Color 557-649
• Sweet 550-(sweet)
• Size 688-970
• Length (flat)-561

Calamondin (no numbers reported)

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Long Calamondin	172	537	612	533
Long Calamondin	211	537	612	533

Range for Calamondin ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-514

Citron

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	325	320	594	621
Large	486	107	612	704
Large	388	311	642	621
Large	325	311	612	698
Long	325	182	408	621
Long	325	311	408	621
Long	486	182	408	522
Reddish	542	120	408	441
Reddish	515	178	408	533
Reddish	551	246	463	429
Tangy	486	120	408	441
Long	325	311	405	621
Long	325	320	408	621
Long	325	246	408	621
Large	325	320	408	507
Large	325	311	408	484
Long	308	320	408	621
Long	279	246	408	621
Long	325	211	408	621
Long	279	246	408	599
Long	279	175	408	621
Long	279	226	408	621
Long	214	246	408	621
Long	325	286	408	520
Long	325	246	394	621
Long	279	175	394	621
Long	279	127	394	621
Long	214	266	400	621
Long	220	240	401	623
Long	225	241	399	620
Long	222	240	395	621
Long	214	246	394	621
Greenish	201	208	375	479
Large	438	208	487	579
Large	251	208	487	529
Long	251	208	361	579
Large	251	208	477	579
Long	438	208	375	479
Long	214	111	315	626
Long	214	111	454	698
Large	325	311	458	429
Large	269	320	458	429

Range for Citron ideal values:

• Color 202-514
• Sweet 120-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-397
• Length (Flat)-478

Coralfruit (no numbers reported)

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Example	color	sweet	size	length

Range for Coralfruit ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Corian

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	532	728	408	441

Range for Corian ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-407
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Etrog

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	279	650	483	756
Tangy	279	246	394	768
Large	279	249	494	768
Large	279	246	408	768
Large	270	311	612	698
Greenish	196	320	315	698
Greenish	190	320	315	698
Flat	214	320	315	592
Tangy	208	217	315	754
Tangy	276	320	315	754
Tangy	294	320	315	754
Tangy	232	217	315	892
Long	317	320	315	892
Long	276	320	315	892
Tangy	305	311	333	767
Long	250	311	333	907
Tangy	276	320	284	784
Long	276	320	315	935
Long	251	320	315	892
Long	317	320	315	892
Large	276	320	413	892
Tangy	302	320	315	784
Tangy	263	320	315	784
Long	297	320	315	892

Range for Etrog ideal values:

• Color 197-(Reddish)
• Sweet 340-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-407
• Length 593-859

Grapefruit

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Greenish	676	171	612	507
Greenish	759	311	642	533
Greenish	710	192	612	533
Long	760	107	612	704
Greenish	676	311	642	450
Greenish	687	311	612	507
Greenish	687	320	710	507
Greenish	687	320	756	568
Greenish	695	311	612	507
Greenish	730	320	756	568
Long	837	320	843	514
Long	837	320	756	514
Small	730	107	495	478

Range for Grapefruit ideal values:

• Color 760-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size 496-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-471

Iyokan

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Tangy	325	698	642	621

Range for Iyokan ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Kabosu

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Long	832	853	900	591
Long	861	862	900	591
Long	832	949	900	591
Long	832	863	900	586
Long	867	840	900	591
Long	860	853	900	591
Long	886	853	900	591
Long	939	853	900	591
Long	860	853	913	591
Long	860	853	900	596
Long	845	853	900	591
Long	819	853	900	591
Long	860	949	900	591
Long	855	800	930	591
Long	855	853	900	591
Long	843	853	900	591
Long	922	800	824	591
Long	939	735	715	533
Long	939	800	686	533
Long	939	800	593	533
Long	939	756	612	533
Tangy	981	650	735	533
Tangy	981	650	900	533
Long	939	800	900	498
Long	922	800	893	533

Range for Kabosu ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-820
• Sweet 733-831
• Size (Small)-781
• Length (Flat)-472

Kinnow (no numbers reported)

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Example	color	sweet	size	length

Range for Kinnow ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Kumquat

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Small	515	320	642	533
Long	383	331	751	704
Reddish	635	331	751	533
Small	486	311	642	533
Small	325	446	642	621
Tangy	399	311	751	533
Small	325	320	642	621
Small	515	320	642	533
Long	383	311	865	621
Small	531	320	718	542

Range for Kumquat ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-635
• Sweet 311-(Sweet)
• Size 737-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-621

Lemon

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Flat	699	650	642	621
Flat	676	650	642	621
Flat	676	650	612	621
Flat	515	457	623	617
Flat	544	650	471	621
Flat	719	650	642	642
Flat	754	647	642	621
Long	754	650	642	926
Greenish	279	509	612	756
Greenish	325	650	642	737
Greenish	481	650	471	621
Greenish	486	650	471	621
Reddish	754	650	642	746
Reddish	922	650	686	591
Reddish	887	650	686	591
Reddish	754	650	642	855
Reddish	754	650	642	804
Small	701	396	394	756
Large	754	650	792	746
Large	754	650	757	746
Large	754	650	753	746
Large	754	650	792	855
Large	754	650	721	746
Large	754	735	792	746
Large	754	668	792	855
Large	754	735	792	855
Large	706	735	900	822
Large	754	798	900	822
Large	754	695	792	822
Large	754	735	792	822
Large	767	798	900	822
Large	760	798	900	822
Large	754	843	949	822
Large	693	798	988	822
Large	767	843	934	822
Large	767	808	900	822
Large	758	808	900	822
Large	775	808	900	822
Large	754	655	792	746
Sweet	701	650	565	704
Sweet	699	650	612	746
Sweet	754	745	792	855
Sweet	754	735	754	855
Sweet	686	745	792	822
Sweet	754	745	754	822
Sweet	754	766	792	822
Sweet	754	745	792	746
Tangy	486	311	612	698
Tangy	486	320	594	720
Tangy	486	311	642	704
Tangy	621	311	705	621
Tangy	668	182	612	704
Tangy	676	320	612	622
Tangy	676	311	612	627
Tangy	676	311	642	756
Tangy	687	320	612	568
Tangy	687	320	756	632
Tangy	699	311	642	621
Tangy	699	311	612	621
Tangy	497	311	612	621
Tangy	429	311	621	760
Tangy	699	522	612	746
Tangy	754	311	642	621
Tangy	754	311	612	621
Tangy	676	354	612	621
Tangy	676	320	642	533

Range for Lemon Ideal Values

• Color: 487-701
• Sweet: 522-627
• Size: 394-721
• Length: 726-926

Lenat

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Long	676	320	612	507
Long	676	407	542	507
Long	653	311	612	507
Long	676	311	642	441
Long	572	457	623	475
Long	531	320	623	485
Long	478	457	623	475
Long	531	457	623	475
Long	515	457	623	475
Long	531	320	623	429
Long	545	320	596	429

Range for Lenat ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-415

Lime

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	325	650	394	533

Range for Lime ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-393
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Mandarin (no numbers reported)

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Example	color	sweet	size	length

Range for Mandarin ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Orange

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	486	514	408	756

Range for Orange ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-407
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Oroblanco

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Tangy	676	182	757	841
Tangy	730	320	756	721
Flat	696	320	756	632
Flat	774	320	756	632
Flat	687	320	772	632
Greenish	754	503	792	746
Greenish	754	409	754	746
Greenish	754	503	792	814
Greenish	754	503	792	822
Greenish	716	503	900	855
Greenish	635	396	865	756
Large	754	503	900	855
Sweet	754	735	900	855
Sweet	760	735	900	822
Sweet	754	735	900	822
Sweet	784	798	900	822
Sweet	760	798	988	822
Sweet	767	798	988	822
Sweet	769	798	988	822
Sweet	767	798	988	873
Sweet	769	783	900	822
Sweet	775	843	1000	822
Sweet	767	843	1000	822
Sweet	767	843	1000	863
Sweet	832	843	900	822
Sweet	832	808	900	972
Sweet	832	843	900	942
Sweet	832	853	900	822
Sweet	832	708	900	822
Sweet	767	766	900	822
Sweet	832	853	907	822
Sweet	820	843	900	822
Sweet	832	853	907	822
Sweet	832	853	913	822
Sweet	832	776	900	822
Flat	837	353	802	632
Flat	837	320	802	632
Tangy	676	182	757	841
Tangy	676	182	757	889
Flat	939	551	715	533
Flat	939	650	686	591
Flat	893	650	900	591
Flat	939	551	900	533
Flat	939	650	810	591
Flat	983	650	900	591
Flat	990	650	718	575
Flat	990	650	718	591

• Should be able to do some narrowing down on the value for Color.

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Greenish	754	409	754	746
Greenish	754	503	792	746

Looking at the sweetness values of 409 and 503, one possible ideal value for sweetness is 456. It is the closest number to both those values, at 47 points higher than 409, and 47 points lower than 503. But for both fruits, they are labelled Greenish, not Sweet or Tangy. Therefore, 754 must be more than 47 points below the ideal color for Oroblanco, making the ideal color at least 801.

• The upper limit for Sweetness can also be dropped down a little bit:

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Sweet	754	735	900	855
Sweet	754	735	900	822

Looking at those two fruits, they are identical, except for their lengths of 855 and 822. The length of 838.5 is the closest to both numbers, at a difference of 16.5 from each. This means that the sweet value of 735 must be at least 16 points higher than the ideal, so the ideal value is at most 719.

Range for Oroblanco ideal values:

• Color 801-1000
• Sweet 320-708
• Size (Small)-900
• Length 707-(Long)

Pummelo (no numbers reported)

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Example	color	sweet	size	length

Range for Pummelo ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Rangpur

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	754	843	900	822
Large	754	843	900	822
Large	767	843	900	822
Large	716	843	900	822
Large	775	843	847	822
Large	767	928	900	822
Large	767	853	900	822
Large	780	853	907	822

Range for Rangpur ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • We have the color values of 716, 754 and 767. There are three possibilities.
    • 1) the ideal color is 716 or lower. This means that 767 is at least 51 points too high, and the fruit is still not reddish, because the size of 900 is more than 51 points too high.
    • 2) the ideal color is 767 or higher. This means that 716 is at least 51 points too low, and the fruit is still not greenish, because the size is more than 51 points too high.
    • 3) the ideal color is between 716 and 767. This would make 716 greenish and 767 reddish, except the fruit is labelled large because 900 is more than 25 points higher than its ideal size.
      No matter which of these three possibilities is true, the ideal size of Rangphur must be less than 875.
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • 843 is closer to ideal sweetness than 900 is to ideal size
  • Sweetness is creeping up to 928, but is still closer to ideal sweetness than 907 is to ideal size.
• Size (Small)-875
  • Regardless of the accuracy of the assumptions on ideal color, we know that 900 is at least 25 points too high, making the ideal size 875 or less.
• Length (Flat)-(Long)
  • 822 is closer to ideal length than 900 is to ideal size

And then the next growth cycle produces a Large Rangpur with a size of 847....(its good mental exercise, right?)

Range for Rangpur Ideal Values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-846
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Shangjuan (no numbers reported)

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Example	color	sweet	size	length

Range for Shangjuan ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Sudachi

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	399	331	394	533
Large	486	331	612	516
Large	515	331	524	533
Large	515	331	473	621
Large	466	311	612	533
Large	515	320	546	533
Large	486	292	594	621
Large	616	311	542	507
Large	687	311	542	507
Large	695	311	542	507
Large	515	311	612	533
Large	429	311	621	621
Large	545	301	458	429
Large	524	311	408	434
Large	527	311	394	533
Long	546	311	408	621
Long	515	311	408	621
Long	497	311	408	621
Long	486	311	408	621
Long	429	311	394	621
Long	481	311	458	621
Reddish	676	311	474	627
Reddish	763	320	408	621
Reddish	730	182	495	587
Reddish	710	192	482	511
Reddish	676	311	473	621
Reddish	589	311	408	533
Reddish	676	286	408	621
Reddish	676	286	394	533
Large	515	311	408	533

Range for Sudachi ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-588
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-325
• Length (Flat)-589

Summerbell

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Greenish	214	111	314	698
Greenish	232	111	315	698
Greenish	214	111	315	698
Greenish	149	111	315	698
Greenish	214	111	315	683
Greenish	214	111	315	799
Greenish	196	111	315	698
Greenish	253	111	315	698
Reddish	701	182	394	841
Tangy	214	0	394	698
Large	440	182	483	756
Large	486	35	408	841
Large	325	246	408	768
Large	325	246	394	768
Large	279	162	394	768
Large	524	225	400	621
Greenish	276	217	315	754
Greenish	276	217	315	784
Greenish	276	217	315	670
Large	425	311	364	767

Range for Summerbell ideal values:

• Color 333-701
• Sweet 0-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-268
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Logical attempt at determining the ideal size for Summerbell:

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	325	246	394	768
Large	279	162	394	768

For those two fruits, the size of 394 is farthest from ideal. This means that the Sweet values of 246 and 162 are closer to the ideal value for sweet. There are three possibilities for the ideal sweetness:

• 1) The ideal sweetness MAY be 246. If this is the case, then 162 is 84 points lower than ideal. Since the fruits are labelled "Large" then their size is more than 84 points over ideal.
• 2) The ideal sweetness MAY be 162. If this is the case, then 246 is 84 points higher than ideal. Since the fruits are labelled "Large" their size is still at least 84 points over ideal.
• 3) The ideal sweetness is between 246 and 162, at 204, leaving 246 at 42 points higher than ideal, and 162 at 42 points lower than ideal. The fruits are labelled large, therefore their size it more than 42 points over ideal.
• Regardless of which of the three above situations is correct, the ideal size must be more than 42 points lower than 394, giving us an ideal size value of 352 or less.
  

Using the same logic with the following values, the ideal size drops to 268 or lower.
Large 486 35 408 841
Large 325 246 408 768

Tangelo

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Reddish	486	182	698	704
Small	279	182	698	756
Flat	184	194	642	621
Flat	275	194	785	621
Flat	275	74	642	621

Range for Tangelo ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-486
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size 698-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-692

Tangerine

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Tangy	331	650	621	621

Range for Tangerine ideal values:

• Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
• Sweet 650-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-(Large)
• Length (Flat)-(Long)

Yuzu

Label	Color	Sweet	Size	Length
Large	486	182	612	441
Long	287	182	408	441
Greenish	263	311	333	297
Long	214	111	526	533
Greenish	146	208	406	479
Large	134	208	589	479
Large	340	311	509	429
Large	269	311	458	373
Large	325	246	458	365
Large	340	246	458	373

Range for Yuzu ideal values:

• Color 264-(Reddish)
• Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
• Size (Small)-457
• Length (Flat)-440