Talk:Hyksos Constitution - Exile

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Overall - I would like to see a layout that summarizes things before going into behavior and THEN go into detail (otherwise it sounds very harsh to just read Griefing, as interpreted by an elder, is exilable). Something like "Hyksians should take a moment to learn the Code of Conduct, which follows the basic premise that: intentional action detrimental to society is subject to a 3 strike law, as interpreted at the sole discretion of the Elders, with increasing visibility to the public as violations are reviewed..." (tehm, 8:50pm PDT, 22 March 2018)

"Griefing" as determined by a DP/Elder has always been bannable/exilable. I don't think that's unexpected. That's why there's the 3 strike rule, and the process for it is in section 3. There are no immediate exiles except in extenuating circumstances (which is totally at the discretion of an elder). As far as "fluff" I'm trying to keep that to a minimum, so the proposed line about having them take a moment to learn the CoC isn't going to go in (it's unnecessary...if someone is reading it they're already reading the CoC). ~Tiz

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Comment on Section 1 – Behaviors worthy of Exile, iv. Intentionally sabotaging faction goals (Peacefulness, 2 am UTC, 23 March 2018)
While recognizing the previous statement, "Only major offenses should be worthy of an exile", this justification for a player's removal from a faction makes me nervous. There is plenty of room for interpretation regarding what the faction's goals are. An individual who does not agree with an elder over something such as the factional control of the region they live in, may choose to knowingly pay tribute at their region's post, and be repeatedly accused of "sabotaging faction goals" because they wish to be an active part of their faction and retain access to faction chat while they are in their camp. +1 tehm

I'm planning another code of conduct depending on how this one goes that any major faction goals/treaties be voted on and approved via a CoC vote. Those would end up being the only ones exile-able if Elders follow the guidelines. But keep in mind that if Elders don't follow the guidelines (there's no way to force them to, so assume some won't) then that same risk you pointed out is always going to be there. I'll try to add verbaige about "ratified" faction goals for now, but this is always going to end up being a bit vague as it's one of those "impossible to enumerate" things. ~Tiz

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Section 1 - "Harassment/griefing of one or more players" -- I think something needs to call out egregious or repeated griefing. When acro opened, acroers took over Hyksos chat with "OPEN!" comments from the acro blob. One person took offense to this and would go stand next to those people to try to get them to get off Hyksos chat. She felt her right to chat was being disrupted by acroers, but technically she was the one griefing. Should she really be subject to expulsion right there? (tehm, 8:50pm PDT, 22 March 2018)

She should be subject to a warning to knock it off, not flat out immediate expulsion. I'll add some verbaige to make it clear that list doesn't mean immediate expulsion, just what could start the process. ~Tiz