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Guild:Lens of Thoth/Vegetable Seeds
Malard has stated that all seed reproduction is based on ecology, so ecology testing kits are important when reproducing seeds. On 9/14/2018, Malard gave more information on Discord:
Malard: so some of the breeding is location based this tale, so only works "north" "center" "south". that might help a lot of these problems for you
Peacefulness: Hmmmm..... It sounds like it is positional. Sometimes. I had heard of tips like "next to a carrion" but hadn't considered the direction. So, if "tomato" seeds have been reproduced near a pile of silt, they may need to be planted in the center of the silt spawns, or to the north (but within X coordinates) for an extra seed to be produced
Gnarph: I'd be more inclined to believe it's a geographical thing, to make it easier for Meshwesh to reproduce some seeds, Hyksos to reproduce some and Kush to reproduce some, depending on veggie type
Peacefulness: that's also possible, Gnarph....I'm just taking into account Malard's latest tip. But I bet in future tales (or even this one, who knows?) they could take faction membership into account.
Gnarph: Well, my theory wasn't based on faction membership per se, but rather geographical location. If some seeds are easier to reproduce in the northern parts of Egypt, Meshwesh will have an easier time at it etc. Of course, travelling isn't too terribly difficult, but it's a question of convenience . And that's based solely on Malard's tip
Peacefulness: Ugh...what if he meant, you can reproduce pepper seeds when planted north of a MW territory, or in the center of one....
Malard: its not territory specific
Brad: Ya, that's how I interpreted it as well. Like, where he says 'so some of the breeding is location based this tale, so only works "north" "center" "south"', I read that as "north egypt, center egypt, south egypt"
Malard: yes. Gnarph is closer, so, east or west, north or south
Peacefulness: but that would explain why a particular player can reproduce a seed easily near their camp, but others can't duplicate those results
Gnarph: But ecology seems to affect it as well
Malard: ofc, its not simply, they will duplicate only in the north. you have to have the right conditions, but other conditions might work in other areas
Gnarph: Oh, now THAT's interesting
Peacefulness: not territory specific, but if we divided the entire map up, it will work in some places but not others?
Malard: specific methods yes. The original idea was that a faction might discover a method, and if it leaked out, other factions might call BS because it doesnt work in their patch. But thats all the hint you are getting. The methods to get them are ecology based and as you've found with carrion shrooms, ecology is the key. Mushrooms might point you in the direction you need to go: the location of the shroom and the conditions of the ecology that cause them to appear
Peacefulness: so players who want to reproduce seeds in the middle of Egypt may need to discover different methods than what is working in other areas....
Malard: perhaps. i did it to also encourage movement and trade, with the idea some may only find a solution in the north, so people go north to trade for x seed, and also talk with others
Cabbage
Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM next to a barley bowl
1 PM next to Dead Tongue, 2173 5227
2 PM next to Dead Tongue, 2032 5908
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield
4:40 AM after Badger Badger spawn: P 100, pH 7.0, K 109 - normal yield
4:10-5:20AM starting at K=109, baseline rest, growing in one spot. Worked down to K=102 over time range indicated, no seeds. Other nutrients declined during growing as well. Single growing attempts at K=107-109 also attempted.
6:20am K=107 N=103, baseline rest.
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Radcliffe | Bastet's Yielding & Mut's Fruition | 2558,1496 | 14:30 | 16:00 | 0 | 7.0120 | 100 | 100 | 101 | 0 | 101 | 0 | Yes | 7'10" | Carrion mushrooms starting at 2550, 1499 disappeared before seeds stopped reproducing |
Carrot
This seems to be a combination of K=109 plus another factor. Differences between success and failure were: time (extra seeds during the day, none just before dawn), Phosphorous (extra seeds when that was 101-104, not when it was 100), and pH (extra seeds at 7.008 - 7.0240 but not at 7.0000)
Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM next to a barley bowl
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield
4:40 AM after Badger Badger spawn: P 100, pH 7.0, K 109 - normal yield
6:30am K=107, N=103, baseline rest
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Snoerr | Osiris' Orange | -2803 -2730 | 3:40 PM | 5:15 PM | none | 7.0240 start/end | 99 start/end | 100 start/end | 109 | 0 | 104 | 0 | -- | -- | Started when K dropped to 109 from 110, ended when K dropped to 108. Shortly after carrion spawn |
| Afrah | Osiris' Orange | -2805,-2708 | 3:41 PM | -- | -- | 7.008 | -- | 100 | 109 | -- | 101 | -- | -- | -- | Recent nearby carrion despawn. |
| Saintcyr | Osiris' Orange | -1436,-2697 | 3:15 PM | 3:20 PM | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Next to carrion, stopped getting seeds at 3:20 PM carrion despawned after 3:40 PM |
| Peacefulness | crossbred seed | 850, 2244 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Ability to reproduce seeds was restored as I travelled west from the carrion spawn. | ||
| Somebob | Lukeera 111 | -342, -2425 | 2:30pm | 3:00pm | 0 | 6.5490 | 99 | 100 | 105 | 0 | 102 | 0 | No | ? | Produced seeds until 3pm, when Groundwater had dropped to 94. Other nutrients unchanged. |
Cucumber
Failed:6:29am K=107, N=103, baseline rest
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|
Eggplant
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|
Garlic
Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM 4 coords from a barley bowl
6 AM at an iron mine (both with and without stones)
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Time | Heavy Metals | pH | H2O | N | K | Soot | P | NaCl | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2675 -1908 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 6.6800 | 100 | 99 | 107 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2676 -1900 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 6.6900 | 100 | 99 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2676 -1890 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 7.0420 | 100 | 99 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2685 -1890 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 7.0420 | 100 | 99 | 109 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2700 -1850 | 3:20 PM | 0 | 7.0820 | 100 | 102 | 102 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2711 -1855 | 3:20 PM | 0 | 7.0340 | 100 | 100 | 102 | 0 | 102 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2735 -1844 | 3:23 PM | 0 | 6.7140 | 100 | 102 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Heket's Reaping | 2750 -1850 | 3:23 PM | 0 | 6.6900 | 100 | 102 | 104 | 0 | 100 | 0 | -- | -- |
Leek
This seems to be driven by K range (determining full extents will require more data) and time-of-day (daytime, or only certain hours?).
Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM 4 coords from a barley bowl
6 AM at an iron mine, both with and without stones showing
Night time (a little past 3AM) within observed successful potassium range failed to produce seeds.
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | -1941, -4702 | Peret I-4 3:22 PM | 26 ducky minutes later | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | -- | -- | Carrion Shrooms, No reproduction of garlic or onion seeds |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | -1962, -4212 | Peret I-4 5:10 PM | after 1 planting | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | -- | -- | After Carrion Shrooms despawned, No reproduction of garlic or onion seeds |
| Afrah | Hapi's Harvest | -2777, -2776 | 2:03 PM | -- | -- | 7.004 | -- | 100 | 102 | -- | 100 | -- | -- | -- | On top of a carrion shroom. |
| Afrah | Hapi's Harvest | -2727, -2770 | 3:22 PM | -- | -- | 7.008 | -- | 100 | 106 | -- | 100 | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. |
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Time | Heavy Metals | pH | H2O | N | K | Soot | P | NaCl | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2675 -1908 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 6.6800 | 100 | 99 | 107 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2676 -1900 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 6.6900 | 100 | 99 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2676 -1890 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 7.0420 | 100 | 99 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2685 -1890 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 7.0420 | 100 | 99 | 109 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2700 -1850 | 3:20 PM | 0 | 7.0820 | 100 | 102 | 102 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2711 -1855 | 3:20 PM | 0 | 7.0340 | 100 | 100 | 102 | 0 | 102 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2735 -1844 | 3:23 PM | 0 | 6.7140 | 100 | 102 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | |
| Snoerr | Hapi's Harvest | 2750 -1850 | 3:23 PM | 0 | 6.6900 | 100 | 102 | 104 | 0 | 100 | 0 | -- | -- |
Onion
Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM 4 coords from a barley bowl
near a fishhook, near a falcon's bait, in a camel pen producing dung
5 AM
6 AM at an iron mine, both with and without stones showing
2:20pm–3:30pm 109, 108, 107, 106, 105, 104, 103, 101 K, all else baseline - no shrooms present. Rotated between the spots.
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Potassium | Phosphorous | Nitrogen | pH | Ground Water | Soot | Heavy Metals | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1870, 5625 | 3:10 PM | 3:20 PM | -- | -- | -- | -- | - | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1808, 5621 | 2:00 PM | 2:10 PM | 102 | 101 | 100 | 6.1412 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. Ecology unchanged after it stopped getting seeds |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1755, 5647 | 2:16 PM | 2:22 PM | 107 | 103 | 100 | 7.0680 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. Ecology unchanged after it stopped getting seeds |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1782, 5654 | 2:35 PM | 2:41 PM | 103 | 102 | 101 | 6.6480 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. Ecology unchanged after it stopped getting seeds |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1743, 5686 | 3:00 PM | 3:08 PM | 104 | -- | 100 | 7.0440 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1776, 5687 | 3:12 PM | 3:20 PM | 105 | -- | 100 | 7.0280 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Near a carrion shroom. |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1761, 5659 | 3:30 PM | 3:36 PM | 106 | -- | 100 | 7.0560 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | In area after despawn of carrion |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1869, 5572 | 3:40 PM | 3:45 PM | 102 | -- | 100 | 6.6210 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | In area after despawn of carrion |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1804, 5685 | 4:00 PM | a few plants | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | In area after despawn of carrion |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1791, 5599 | 4:05 PM | a few plants | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | In area after despawn of carrion |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1869, 5572 | 4:15 PM | a few plants | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | In area after despawn of carrion |
| Saintcyr | Tears of Sinai | 1816, 5579 | 4:30 PM | a few plants | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | In area after despawn of carrion |
| Saintcyr | Amun's Bounty | 1348, 6700 | 2:10 PM | 2:20 PM | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | No carrions |
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Time | Heavy Metals | pH | H2O | N | K | Soot | P | NaCl | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2675 -1908 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 6.6800 | 100 | 99 | 107 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2676 -1900 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 6.6900 | 100 | 99 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2676 -1890 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 7.0420 | 100 | 99 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2685 -1890 | 3:15 PM | 0 | 7.0420 | 100 | 99 | 109 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2700 -1850 | 3:20 PM | 0 | 7.0820 | 100 | 102 | 102 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2711 -1855 | 3:20 PM | 0 | 7.0340 | 100 | 100 | 102 | 0 | 102 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2735 -1844 | 3:23 PM | 0 | 6.7140 | 100 | 102 | 106 | 0 | 101 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Snoerr | Amun's Bounty | 2750 -1850 | 3:23 PM | 0 | 6.6900 | 100 | 102 | 104 | 0 | 100 | 0 | -- | -- | Carrion mushrooms |
| Somebob | Tears of Sinai | 3409, -523 | 2:52pm | 0 | 5.200 | 100 | 101 | 108 | 0 | 100 | 0 | -- | -- | Dueling Serpents |
Pepper
Feed a pepper to a bull, collect cattle dung, dry dung in a flax hammock, search dried dung for seeds. Factors that increase chances of a seed not yet known.
Pepper seed planting times that have not yielded a seed:
3 AM, 4 AM
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield.
3:00 PM next to Carrion. P 100, pH 7.0040, K 103.
6:33am K=109, N=103, baseline rest
between 3 and 4 AM, where pH testing kit shows "green" and "aqua"
10/30/2018
Q: can we get a hint for seed reproduction from crossbred pepper seeds please?
A: smelly liquid
Unsuccessful methods attempted, based on this hint:
Malard has also reminded us, "remember things are geographical also". These tests were done near zFree, which is in the "middle" of Egypt.
Simple Perfume
- with perfume in inventory
- applied perfume before planting
- applied perfume after planting, before harvesting
- near a kitchen that is making it
- near a kitchen that has finished making perfume, before it is collected
- after collecting perfume from a kitchen
- planted after dropping perfume on the ground
Aromatic honey
- immediately after harvesting
- near a citrus tree that has gatherable aromatic honey
- dropped aromatic honey on the ground and grew peppers next to it.
Sulphurous Water
- with sulphurous water in jugs, in inventory, and next to a body of sulphurous water.
- with sulphurous water in jugs on the ground, and next to a body of sulphurous water.
- with only water in jugs, and next to a body of sulphurous water, but no sulphurous water in jugs.
- with sulphurous water in jugs in inventory, but not near a body of sulphurous water.
- with equal amounts of water and sulphurous water in jugs at the time of planting
- with equal amounts of water and sulphurous water in jugs at the time of harvest
- with sulphurous water (but not regular water) in jugs at time of planting.
- after pouring sulphurous water on the ground
Petroleum
- near a deep well, spring tension between 0 and 100, before and after filling jugs from the well (0 peppers grown)
- near a deep well, spring tension greater than 100 (0 peppers grown)
Sour Milk
- grew peppers as soon as possible after milk turns sour (within 10 game minutes), with jugs of sour milk in inventory.
- with jugs of sour milk on the ground while planting and harvesting
- planted immediately after emptying a jug of sour milk
- emptied a jug of sour milk after planting and before harvesting
Embalming Fluid
- near a kitchen that is actively cooking embalming fluid
- near a kitchen that has just finished cooking embalming fluid, and still has it in the kitchen
- with embalming fluid in inventory
- dropped embalming fluid on the ground and grew next to it
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|
Watermelon
This seems to be a combination of K=109 plus another factor. Differences between success and failure were: time (extra seeds during the day, none just before dawn), Phosphorous (extra seeds when that was 101-104, not when it was 100), and pH (extra seeds at 7.008-7.0240 but not at 7.0000)
Failed reproduction attempts.
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield.
4:40 AM after Badger Badger spawn: P 100, pH 7.0, K 109 - normal yield
First crop next to Carrion Shroom gave 4 seeds.
| Who | Seed Type | Location | Start Time | End Time | Heavy Metals | pH | Ground Water | Nitrogen | Potassium | Soot | Phosphorous | Salinity | Near water | Elevation | Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Snoerr | Set's Vintage | -2803 -2730 | 3:40 PM | 5:15 PM | none | 7.0240 start/end | 99 start/end | 100 start/end | 109 | 0 | 104 | 0 | -- | -- | Started when K dropped to 109 from 110, ended when K dropped to 108. Shortly after carrion spawn |
| Afrah | Set's Vintage | -2805, -2708 | 3:41 PM | -- | -- | 7.008 | -- | 100 | 109 | -- | 101 | -- | -- | -- | After recent carrion despawn in area. |
| Snoerr | Geb's Produce | -2816 -2647 | 3:40 PM | 3:45 PM | none | 6.4080 start/end | 100 start/end | 100 start/end | 109 | 0 | 100 start / 99 end | 0 | -- | -- | Stopped after a couple of seeds. P had dropped from 100 to 99. Other factors remained the same. |
| Snoerr | Isis' Bounty | -2816 -2647 | 3:40 PM | 3:45 PM | none | 6.4080 start/end | 100 start/end | 100 start/end | 109 | 0 | 100 start / 99 end | 0 | -- | -- | Stopped after a couple of seeds. P had dropped from 100 to 99. Other factors remained the same. |