What follows is a raw transcript of the event. For an edited version, please refer to: Swinery
Transcript of a demonstration of the Swinery, presented by Malard in Avaris on October 6th, 7PM BST.
Malard: so before i start
Malard: Meshwesh are yet to put this technology on timer
Narkho: or PETA members
Malard: however, if they can get it on timer (or Hyksos and Kush) wish to donate the resources to put it on timer
Malard: i am willing to forgoe the timer
Malard: they are at
Malard: 744 / 940 Bacon
Malard: 319 / 470 Ham
Malard: 500 / 1175 of Metal
Malard: and 11268 / 28200 of the Treated Boards
Qwu: we have a chest me give to gnarph for meshis with all bacon and ham was left but he wasnt on since this time
Malard: if you want me to raid the chest, i am happy to do so
Malard: but your still way short on the other items
Malard: if the other factions wish to help you, i am willing to show compassion
Malarquay: we will get boards done
Zhukuram: need a Kush Elder to decide on Kush donations
Malarquay: I will do boards
Qwu: if you can open the chest for us there is enough bacon and ham for them
Nobu: hi all
MissBarbara: I wonder why Meshwesh havent asked for help. Hyksos and Kush would probably help if we got asked to
Malard: it is your choice as a group
Zhukuram: 'cause maybe they cant talk to Kush? we be solo to the max
Malard: you have until 9am tomorrow (my time) to put it on timer, and i will then accelerate it
Malard: that gives you 10 hours ;)
EdDaba: Our power players have been tied up this week; we've actually be chipping away at the requirements in the past few days.
Malard: okay moving on
EdDaba: We'll have it sewn up soon
MissBarbara: The rest of us dont mind to help,- but it kinda require that you reach out and ask.
Malard: so, Ranching level 2
Malard: if you havent figure it out, is about farming pigs
Zhukuram: MissBarbara best read some Kush ByLaws
Styx: Whose mountain lion is this?
Malard: welcome a normal ranch
Malard: with Ranching 2
Malard: you can upgrade it to add Sty's
Lisimba: its bigger?
Malard: to do so, requires you have built at least a Trough
Zhukuram: gratz to the zapped
Tilana: Random. Grats :D
Lizzi: thanks :)
Malard: here be a Swinery
Narkho: well, gz too
Zhukuram: oh new floor?
haraelendil: nice !
Zhukuram: how to get the floor?
Lisimba: nice a place for all my spoiled food
Malard: i have made this building public
Malard: so you can see the UI
Malard: sorry i will brb
haraelendil: lol, what a cliffhanger
Malard: sorry about that
Nobu: uh oh, wheat
Sandman: it's a damned cat farm right now
Zhukuram: do we convert our cattle pens to pig pens?
EdDaba: ugh, wheat
Malard: you can convert a Cattle Ranch to a Swinery
Malard: if there are no Cattle in it
Malard: but not backwards
Malard: PIgs cannot go into Cattle Ranches
Malard: Cattle cannot go into Swineries
Sandman: what, no mud?
Narkho: this is the definitive size? It seems bigger than cattle ranches, no?
Zhukuram: sandman the floor is muddy dirt
Malard: its the same size
Malard: its just got the mud field attached to it
Tedra: lasso and stockwhip to get them in?
Malard: to simulate mud
Lisimba: well i love it
Zhukuram: Very Nice Malard!
Malard: Lasso yes
Malard: stockwhip is for cattle
Malard: you know how to make Pigs move i hope
Malard: if you dont, when you learn Ranching level 2
Malard: you get told
Tedra: yeah, so need to find some closish to home
Malard: as long as a pig is nearby you can attach it to the ranch using the lasso
Malard: so lets move on
Malard: you will see there are 4 bars
Lisimba: pig whipper
Malard: water is used at a certain rate
Sandman: yeah, get to the part about greased pig wrasslin'
Malard: (btw i am not going to give numbers, this is for you to learn)
Malard: as long as pigs are watered they will never starve
Malard: unlike cattle, Pigs can die
Nobu: oh noes
Malard: if you keep them watered, they will stay alive
Malard: just be pissed off
Malard: if you feed them, then they will breed
Malard: okay, so lets talk about feeding
Malard: there are numerous Pig breeds, some may be found
Malard: some not, i am not sure
Malard: each Breed eats food in order
Malard: each breed, requires a % of each type of food stuff
Malard: so for example, between 10% and 90% of wheat
Malard: (i.e. ratio mixture)
Malard: spoiled food might be a different %
Malarquay: oh no, not wheat :(
Narkho: what do you mean 'each breed eats food in order'? they all eat 1)spoiled food, then wheat, then milk?
Malard: so for example, Windsnyer will accept between 10% and 90% for all three types
Narkho: or each breed is specific order?
Zhukuram: find a breed that hates week and loves spoiled milk
Nobu: and if they are fed wrong?
Zhukuram: * hates wheat
MissBarbara: Each breed have diff. food needs, I think
Malard: yeah for example, some breeds will enjoy a sour milk free diet
Malard: correct, each breed will expect a different mixture
Malard: so you might choose to house them in different Swineries
Malard: to make life easy
Sandman: hmm, so multiple pig pens
Malard: but it is possible to run a diverse pig mixture
Zhukuram: lol Lactose Intolerant Pigs lol FUN
Qwu: how much pig can one pen hold?
Sandman: as long as they ain't flatulent
Lisimba: how many swineries fit in the ranch
Malard: and if you want to breed rare breeds, you might need a diverse pig mixture *hint*
Sandman: we have enough pollution
Malard: 25 pigs fit into a swinery
Tedra: so if all three foods are in one pen, pigs are happy?
Malard: there is no pollution from a swinery
Malard: Tedra, again it depends on the ratio
Nobu: what happens if ratio is wrong?
MissBarbara: Thats for us to figure out
Lisimba: in this example there are two swineries? so 25 pigs ea?
Malard: so for example if you end up with a 70, 9, 21 ratio
Malard: no, this is one swinery
Malard: the model is just cosmetic
Malard: and a breed requires a minimum of 10% wheat in their diet
Malard: then they will go hungry
Malard: because the ratio is only at 9%
Malard: btw, each food type when you add it
Malarquay: will thye tell you they ar hungry for ?
Nobu: so always water and always wheat, just to keep them...alive?
Malard: just water to stay alive
Malard: you need a correct mixture of all 3 food types for the specific breed
Nobu: but pissed off and not breeding...ahh
Malard: to make it breed
Malard: and both the male and female must be fed
Malard: so for example, if you want to make X, which is a cross between Y and Z
Lisimba: is it avatar specific, or same for all?
Malard: then you need to manage the ratios of food to keep Y and Z fed
Narkho: 10k food capacity is overall 'including' water?
Malard: same for all
Malard: no, water is seperate
Zhukuram: so If you have PigA that eats wheat and PigB that hates wheat - how you gonna feed them to breed xbreds?
Malard: Zhukuram, they eat in sequence
Malard: in theory you can work out a ratio whereby the first breed eats food
Malard: changing the ratio
Malard: so the second breed now eats
Malard: thats why you might need a chain of breeds to convert one ratio into another
Narkho: hehe, tricky but nice
Malard: to get Y and Z successfully fed
Malard: i want to remind you that Pigs are hard
Malard: they are not a casual project
Nobu: it certainly sounds hard, lol
Malard: they are high maint
Allophyl: But that's only if you want to keep multiple breeds in one pen?
Zhukuram: hmmm so you cant just dump 5k wheat in the bin and hope only the wheal-loving pig eats first?
Allophyl: I guess that would be necessary for crossbreeding
Kissa: can you just breed same types in a pen?
Malard: so when you add food
Malard: it doesnt go in 1:1
Narkho: i hope you're sure of your genetic & breeding code ;)
Malard: so for example add 1 spoiled food
Malard: you will see it goes up 13 points
MissBarbara: I assume you can remove food from Swineries unlike Ranches?
Malard: each food type is a different prime number
Malard: just to mess with you math heads ;)
Malard: you cannot remove food
Malard: you can clean out the trough
Malard: which empties it back to zero
Malard: so dont go long one type of food
MissBarbara: So if I remove food it goes spoiled or wasted?
Sandman: so step one, guys , is to build multiple pens and work out each breed's food preference
Malard: you cannot remove food
Malard: you can clean it out
Zhukuram: Im I catching her you have to feed every day so to not get the wrong ratio?
MissBarbara: So wasted, ok
Lisimba: you lost me prime number :(
Malard: couple of other points
Malard: pigs get pissed off
Narkho: how many 'wild' breed is there and how many possible breed? (if you can tell those numbers)
Malard: all breeds can be found in the wild
Malard: some are extremely rare
Narkho: even the rarest ones that we can breed?
Malard: yes, but breeding is naturally easier
Allophyl: So it's not possible to create an entirely new breed through crossbreeding?
Malard: more predictable
Malard: no, we were considering it, but i havent got onto what Pigs are for
Zhukuram: can you trade pigs?
Malard: same way you trade cattle
Malard: okay, so i said about Pigs getting pissed
Malard: pissed off pigs
Narkho: any other byproduct than pig/ham/fat from swinery?
Malard: will try and break down the fence
Narkho: pig > bacon*
Malard: you can see the fence being damaged
Allophyl: Can they escape?
Zhukuram: escape or die? hmmm I would rather they escape
Zhukuram: and go root up someone elses spot
Nobu: you lose them either way, no ?
Malard: so pigs can die, if you intentionally starve them
Narkho: if they can break fence, they can probably escape
Malard: pigs will try and escape over starving
Zhukuram: how much damage are we to expect? complete refit?
Zonk: but only die from lack of water, correct?
Malard: so if you just keep adding water
Malard: but no food
Malard: they will start to damage the fence
Malard: here is the damage
Malard: on the fence
Nobu: and you can fix? they won't escape the first time of damage?
Zonk: can we repair it?
Kissa: how to fix fence?
Lisimba: i see the fence breaking down
Malard: when its in this state
Malard: its probably a good idea to repair it
Malard: the repair costs are not that expensive
Malard: this is damaged
Malard: they havent broken it
Nobu: and repair is already built in ?
Malard: if its like this
Malard: now its broken
Malard: so now they will escape
Malard: yeah you can repair in damaged or broken state
Malard: broken is more expensive to repair
Sandman sharpens his utility knife
Malard: few other things
Malard: pissed off pigs still want feeding
Malard: they will raid nearby storage chests for all sorts of Food products
Nobu: looks like we'll be just trading pig products, hmm
Sandman: that's cute
EdDaba: oh boy... hahah
Narkho: now that's epic :P
Styx: oh, super.. :P
Malard: this includes warehouses, chests etc
MissBarbara: What is "near by"?
Smurf: my herbs!
Kissa: so buildpen close to enemy and dont care for them?
Nobu: it's cute til they eat your octec crystals
Lisimba: keep pens way far away
Malard: @MissBarbara i suggest you try it ;)
OneBanana: nice touch there...lol
Zhukuram: so - camp wrecking as a by-product
MissBarbara: And do they only go for the owners storage? :D
Malard: Octec Crystals are not food stuff
Malard: if you can cook with it, its a food stuff
Malard: MissBarbara, Pigs dont care about ownership
Nobu: so, foodie stuff only? hmm
EdDaba: oh lord, here comes pig griefing
Nobu: that's good, i guess, keep herbs away
Narkho: will we have a warning or popup or any kind of info they raided 'this' chest and took 'this amount of food'?
Malard: btw, this can include aging racks
Malard: and anywhere you store food
Malard: Narkho, yes
Nobu: oh noes, cheese...what's the range of what they may eat ?
Malard: you will have to work that out
Lisimba: would Straw be considered food?
Malarquay: why would we bother with these pigs?
Malard: but they wont despawn until they are happy
Malard: okay so you want Raeli?
Nobu: i'm gonna me slaughtering a lot of pigs
Malard: and you want Mushrooms?
Brucette: yes please
Malard: pigs can find wild mushrooms
Brucette: yes please
Lisimba: yes yes
MissBarbara: So building a swinery near an "enemy" and make angry pigs could cause them to go on whoever you dont like and "steal" from their storages... *scared* :D
Sandman: oh god, here it comes
Malard: when you take them out for a walk
Lisimba: on a leash?
Zhukuram: oh gah - massive new method of griefing - give your best enemy a pig farm with no ownership
Malard: the rarer the pig type
Nobu: ha! pig walking!
Malard: the rarer the mushrooms they will likely find
Allophyl: If someone else owns a pig ranch near your camp and they don't feed their pigs or repair the fence, can you (as a non-owner) repair the fence anyway?
Malard: Allophyl, no, but you can kill the pigs when they escape ;)
Sandman: does it still have to be in the regular mushroom spawn time?
Zhukuram: Scorp Brood Pig Hunters Inc
Smurf: guess its best to keep a warehouse of cheap food by the pen
Malard: @Sandman no
Nobu: yea, i see what you mean *thinks sheep pox*
Narkho: guess not by default, but could be made as a feature request
Malard: secondly, Oddly, pigs are pretty good at finding hidden veins of Soft Clay patches that are not visible from the ground
Nobu: oh noes
Malard: as Scientists have been unable to devise suitable stable mechanisms for building on Clay
Nobu: and there goes us having raelis
Malard: these are needed to find suitable locations for building Raeli ovens
Malard: what this means is you can now find more varied patches for ovens
Malard: rarer pigs will find patches other pigs cannot find
Sandman: ah, so not necessarily on :clay:
Allophyl: and none of this raeli oven on every clay patch in egypt like in previous tales, I guess
Malard: correct, you still cannot build on clay
MissBarbara: I love this idea
Narkho: question about mushrooms > you said it was not time dependant, pigs will find shroom.... HOw will this work? somehow find a location with pigs & they'll spawn just for you?
Malard: yeah, they will bring them to the ground
Narkho: nice :)
Zhukuram: can u do that with a wild pig?
Lisimba: how do you walk your pigs?
Malard: much like how truffles are found
Zonk: with wheat?
Malard: @Zhukuram no
Kissa: is a lasso needed for "pig walking" ?
Malard: @Lisimba, you will need to make them like you
Malard: so no just arbitarily killing your pigs
Marlie: how long without food before they start breaking down the fences?
Malard: then they will follow you like a cat
Lisimba: oh, well who doesnt like ME??
Malard: until they are pissed off because they are hungry
Narkho: you use wheat to attract it to your pen when it's wild
MissBarbara: Can you feed them "on the road"?
Malarquay: can we tie bows on them?
Malard: yes, and keep it happy when its on the road
Zhukuram: what happens if you are truffle hunting and log out in BFE? pig goes away?
Malard: fyi, Smurf has a unique pig that will always be happy
Sandman: this is a most interesting puzzle, Malard, thank you
Malard: thats the only unique thing about his pig
Kissa: can someone kill your pig while you are walking it?
Smurf: :) Miss Piggie and i have a "special" realationship
Nobu: pigs prospect for raelis
Malard: Kissa, no
Brucette: can you tell the pig what mushrooms to find?
Sandman: will raeli ovens still work the same...ie color distirbution, etc?
Malard: they prospect for patches that are suitable for building an oven on
Zhukuram: If some helpful player build a pig sty at your camp will GMs be allowed to remove it?
Malard: Brucette no, however it will generally follow the rules of ecology
Lisimba: once you get a pig to "like" you, will it ever stop, or do you need to continue making it happy?
Nobu: i hope someone is writing this down...
Malard: so its a good way to basically work out what a patch of ground can spawn
Malard: @Lisimba, a full pig is a happy pig
Malard: *full = fed
Lisimba: got it
Lisimba: yes, who is keeping notes, can this chat be posted on wiki ? Brad??? Brad????
Malard: okay so any questions
Nobu: or use a mic...imagine
EdDaba: I'm copy a transcript
Smurf: Dose the location of the Swinery matter?
haraelendil: seems clear to me
EdDaba: will post later
Brucette: will we have pig barns like at previous event?
Malard: location does not matter
Malard: essentially i want to explain the mechanics
Sandman: clear as mud, which is appropriate
Allophyl: So it doesn't matter if it's on grass, dirt, or sand?
Lisimba: where can we find the transcript Ed?
Malard: no the pig barn was an item from dragon tale, it does not fit into this game
Malard: Allophyl, no
anefeli: i wish we did had to distroy food when we play with ratios......
Qwu: can we get isis bounty onions seeds?
EdDaba: on the chat transcripts page on the wiki, later today
Lisimba: ok ty
Brucette: looks like fun Malard, thank-you
Lisimba: it all sounds sooo soo , ok fun, ty Malard