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Malard has stated that all seed reproduction is based on ecology, so ecology testing kits are important when reproducing seeds. On 9/14/2018, Malard gave more information on Discord:

Malard: so some of the breeding is location based this tale, so only works "north" "center" "south". that might help a lot of these problems for you

Peacefulness: Hmmmm..... It sounds like it is positional. Sometimes. I had heard of tips like "next to a carrion" but hadn't considered the direction. So, if "tomato" seeds have been reproduced near a pile of silt, they may need to be planted in the center of the silt spawns, or to the north (but within X coordinates) for an extra seed to be produced

Gnarph: I'd be more inclined to believe it's a geographical thing, to make it easier for Meshwesh to reproduce some seeds, Hyksos to reproduce some and Kush to reproduce some, depending on veggie type

Peacefulness: that's also possible, Gnarph....I'm just taking into account Malard's latest tip. But I bet in future tales (or even this one, who knows?) they could take faction membership into account.

Gnarph: Well, my theory wasn't based on faction membership per se, but rather geographical location. If some seeds are easier to reproduce in the northern parts of Egypt, Meshwesh will have an easier time at it etc. Of course, travelling isn't too terribly difficult, but it's a question of convenience . And that's based solely on Malard's tip

Peacefulness: Ugh...what if he meant, you can reproduce pepper seeds when planted north of a MW territory, or in the center of one....

Malard: its not territory specific

Brad: Ya, that's how I interpreted it as well. Like, where he says 'so some of the breeding is location based this tale, so only works "north" "center" "south"', I read that as "north egypt, center egypt, south egypt"

Malard: yes. Gnarph is closer, so, east or west, north or south

Peacefulness: but that would explain why a particular player can reproduce a seed easily near their camp, but others can't duplicate those results

Gnarph: But ecology seems to affect it as well

Malard: ofc, its not simply, they will duplicate only in the north. you have to have the right conditions, but other conditions might work in other areas

Gnarph: Oh, now THAT's interesting

Peacefulness: not territory specific, but if we divided the entire map up, it will work in some places but not others?

Malard: specific methods yes. The original idea was that a faction might discover a method, and if it leaked out, other factions might call BS because it doesnt work in their patch. But thats all the hint you are getting. The methods to get them are ecology based and as you've found with carrion shrooms, ecology is the key. Mushrooms might point you in the direction you need to go: the location of the shroom and the conditions of the ecology that cause them to appear

Peacefulness: so players who want to reproduce seeds in the middle of Egypt may need to discover different methods than what is working in other areas....

Malard: perhaps. i did it to also encourage movement and trade, with the idea some may only find a solution in the north, so people go north to trade for x seed, and also talk with others

Cabbage

Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM next to a barley bowl
1 PM next to Dead Tongue, 2173 5227
2 PM next to Dead Tongue, 2032 5908
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield
4:40 AM after Badger Badger spawn: P 100, pH 7.0, K 109 - normal yield
4:10-5:20AM starting at K=109, baseline rest, growing in one spot. Worked down to K=102 over time range indicated, no seeds. Other nutrients declined during growing as well. Single growing attempts at K=107-109 also attempted.
6:20am K=107 N=103, baseline rest.

Successful Cabbage seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Radcliffe Bastet's Yielding & Mut's Fruition 2558,1496 14:30 16:00 0 7.0120 100 100 101 0 101 0 Yes 7'10" Carrion mushrooms starting at 2550, 1499 disappeared before seeds stopped reproducing

Carrot

This seems to be a combination of K=109 plus another factor. Differences between success and failure were: time (extra seeds during the day, none just before dawn), Phosphorous (extra seeds when that was 101-104, not when it was 100), and pH (extra seeds at 7.008 - 7.0240 but not at 7.0000)

Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM next to a barley bowl
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield
4:40 AM after Badger Badger spawn: P 100, pH 7.0, K 109 - normal yield
6:30am K=107, N=103, baseline rest


Successful Carrot seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Snoerr Osiris' Orange -2803 -2730 3:40 PM 5:15 PM none 7.0240 start/end 99 start/end 100 start/end 109 0 104 0 -- -- Started when K dropped to 109 from 110, ended when K dropped to 108. Shortly after carrion spawn
Afrah Osiris' Orange -2805,-2708 3:41 PM -- -- 7.008 -- 100 109 -- 101 -- -- -- Recent nearby carrion despawn.
Saintcyr Osiris' Orange -1436,-2697 3:15 PM 3:20 PM -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Next to carrion, stopped getting seeds at 3:20 PM carrion despawned after 3:40 PM
Peacefulness crossbred seed 850, 2244 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Ability to reproduce seeds was restored as I travelled west from the carrion spawn.
Somebob Lukeera 111 -342, -2425 2:30pm 3:00pm 0 6.5490 99 100 105 0 102 0 No ? Produced seeds until 3pm, when Groundwater had dropped to 94. Other nutrients unchanged.

Cucumber

Failed:
6:29am K=107, N=103, baseline rest
Successful Cucumber seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)

Eggplant

Successful Eggplant seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)

Garlic

Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM 4 coords from a barley bowl
6 AM at an iron mine (both with and without stones)

Successful Garlic seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
UNSUCCESSFUL Garlic seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Time Heavy Metals pH H2O N K Soot P NaCl Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2675 -1908 3:15 PM 0 6.6800 100 99 107 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2676 -1900 3:15 PM 0 6.6900 100 99 106 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2676 -1890 3:15 PM 0 7.0420 100 99 106 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2685 -1890 3:15 PM 0 7.0420 100 99 109 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2700 -1850 3:20 PM 0 7.0820 100 102 102 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2711 -1855 3:20 PM 0 7.0340 100 100 102 0 102 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2735 -1844 3:23 PM 0 6.7140 100 102 106 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Heket's Reaping 2750 -1850 3:23 PM 0 6.6900 100 102 104 0 100 0 -- --

Leek

This seems to be driven by K range (determining full extents will require more data) and time-of-day (daytime, or only certain hours?).

Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM 4 coords from a barley bowl
6 AM at an iron mine, both with and without stones showing
Night time (a little past 3AM) within observed successful potassium range failed to produce seeds.

Successful Leek seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest -1941, -4702 Peret I-4 3:22 PM 26 ducky minutes later ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- -- Carrion Shrooms, No reproduction of garlic or onion seeds
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest -1962, -4212 Peret I-4 5:10 PM after 1 planting ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- -- After Carrion Shrooms despawned, No reproduction of garlic or onion seeds
Afrah Hapi's Harvest -2777, -2776 2:03 PM -- -- 7.004 -- 100 102 -- 100 -- -- -- On top of a carrion shroom.
Afrah Hapi's Harvest -2727, -2770 3:22 PM -- -- 7.008 -- 100 106 -- 100 -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom.
UNSUCCESSFUL Leek seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Time Heavy Metals pH H2O N K Soot P NaCl Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2675 -1908 3:15 PM 0 6.6800 100 99 107 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2676 -1900 3:15 PM 0 6.6900 100 99 106 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2676 -1890 3:15 PM 0 7.0420 100 99 106 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2685 -1890 3:15 PM 0 7.0420 100 99 109 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2700 -1850 3:20 PM 0 7.0820 100 102 102 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2711 -1855 3:20 PM 0 7.0340 100 100 102 0 102 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2735 -1844 3:23 PM 0 6.7140 100 102 106 0 101 0 -- --
Snoerr Hapi's Harvest 2750 -1850 3:23 PM 0 6.6900 100 102 104 0 100 0 -- --

Onion

Planting times that have not yielded a seed:
1 PM, 2 PM, 3 PM, 4 PM, 5 PM,
2 AM 4 coords from a barley bowl
near a fishhook, near a falcon's bait, in a camel pen producing dung
5 AM
6 AM at an iron mine, both with and without stones showing
2:20pm–3:30pm 109, 108, 107, 106, 105, 104, 103, 101 K, all else baseline - no shrooms present. Rotated between the spots.

Successful Onion seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Potassium Phosphorous Nitrogen pH Ground Water Soot Heavy Metals Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1870, 5625 3:10 PM 3:20 PM -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom.
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1808, 5621 2:00 PM 2:10 PM 102 101 100 6.1412 -- -- -- -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom. Ecology unchanged after it stopped getting seeds
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1755, 5647 2:16 PM 2:22 PM 107 103 100 7.0680 -- -- -- -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom. Ecology unchanged after it stopped getting seeds
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1782, 5654 2:35 PM 2:41 PM 103 102 101 6.6480 -- -- -- -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom. Ecology unchanged after it stopped getting seeds
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1743, 5686 3:00 PM 3:08 PM 104 -- 100 7.0440 -- -- -- -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom.
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1776, 5687 3:12 PM 3:20 PM 105 -- 100 7.0280 -- -- -- -- -- -- Near a carrion shroom.
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1761, 5659 3:30 PM 3:36 PM 106 -- 100 7.0560 -- -- -- -- -- -- In area after despawn of carrion
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1869, 5572 3:40 PM 3:45 PM 102 -- 100 6.6210 -- -- -- -- -- -- In area after despawn of carrion
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1804, 5685 4:00 PM a few plants -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- In area after despawn of carrion
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1791, 5599 4:05 PM a few plants -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- In area after despawn of carrion
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1869, 5572 4:15 PM a few plants -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- In area after despawn of carrion
Saintcyr Tears of Sinai 1816, 5579 4:30 PM a few plants -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- In area after despawn of carrion
Saintcyr Amun's Bounty 1348, 6700 2:10 PM 2:20 PM -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- No carrions
UNSUCCESSFUL Onion seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Time Heavy Metals pH H2O N K Soot P NaCl Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2675 -1908 3:15 PM 0 6.6800 100 99 107 0 101 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2676 -1900 3:15 PM 0 6.6900 100 99 106 0 101 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2676 -1890 3:15 PM 0 7.0420 100 99 106 0 101 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2685 -1890 3:15 PM 0 7.0420 100 99 109 0 101 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2700 -1850 3:20 PM 0 7.0820 100 102 102 0 101 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2711 -1855 3:20 PM 0 7.0340 100 100 102 0 102 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2735 -1844 3:23 PM 0 6.7140 100 102 106 0 101 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Snoerr Amun's Bounty 2750 -1850 3:23 PM 0 6.6900 100 102 104 0 100 0 -- -- Carrion mushrooms
Somebob Tears of Sinai 3409, -523 2:52pm 0 5.200 100 101 108 0 100 0 -- -- Dueling Serpents

Pepper

Feed a pepper to a bull, collect cattle dung, dry dung in a flax hammock, search dried dung for seeds. Factors that increase chances of a seed not yet known.

Pepper seed planting times that have not yielded a seed:
3 AM, 4 AM
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield.
3:00 PM next to Carrion. P 100, pH 7.0040, K 103.
6:33am K=109, N=103, baseline rest
between 3 and 4 AM, where pH testing kit shows "green" and "aqua"

10/30/2018
Q: can we get a hint for seed reproduction from crossbred pepper seeds please?
A: smelly liquid

Unsuccessful methods attempted, based on this hint:
Malard has also reminded us, "remember things are geographical also". These tests were done near zFree, which is in the "middle" of Egypt.

Simple Perfume

  • with perfume in inventory
  • applied perfume before planting
  • applied perfume after planting, before harvesting
  • near a kitchen that is making it
  • near a kitchen that has finished making perfume, before it is collected
  • after collecting perfume from a kitchen
  • planted after dropping perfume on the ground

Aromatic honey

  • immediately after harvesting
  • near a citrus tree that has gatherable aromatic honey
  • dropped aromatic honey on the ground and grew peppers next to it.

Sulphurous Water

  • with sulphurous water in jugs, in inventory, and next to a body of sulphurous water.
  • with sulphurous water in jugs on the ground, and next to a body of sulphurous water.
  • with only water in jugs, and next to a body of sulphurous water, but no sulphurous water in jugs.
  • with sulphurous water in jugs in inventory, but not near a body of sulphurous water.
  • with equal amounts of water and sulphurous water in jugs at the time of planting
  • with equal amounts of water and sulphurous water in jugs at the time of harvest
  • with sulphurous water (but not regular water) in jugs at time of planting.
  • after pouring sulphurous water on the ground

Petroleum

  • near a deep well, spring tension between 0 and 100, before and after filling jugs from the well (0 peppers grown)
  • near a deep well, spring tension greater than 100 (0 peppers grown)

Sour Milk

  • grew peppers as soon as possible after milk turns sour (within 10 game minutes), with jugs of sour milk in inventory.
  • with jugs of sour milk on the ground while planting and harvesting
  • planted immediately after emptying a jug of sour milk
  • emptied a jug of sour milk after planting and before harvesting

Embalming Fluid

  • near a kitchen that is actively cooking embalming fluid
  • near a kitchen that has just finished cooking embalming fluid, and still has it in the kitchen
  • with embalming fluid in inventory
  • dropped embalming fluid on the ground and grew next to it
Successful Pepper seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)

Watermelon

This seems to be a combination of K=109 plus another factor. Differences between success and failure were: time (extra seeds during the day, none just before dawn), Phosphorous (extra seeds when that was 101-104, not when it was 100), and pH (extra seeds at 7.008-7.0240 but not at 7.0000)

Failed reproduction attempts.
3:30 PM next to Carrion (right at despawn), -2803 -2731. P 104, pH 7.0240, K 110. 0 yield.
4:40 AM after Badger Badger spawn: P 100, pH 7.0, K 109 - normal yield

First crop next to Carrion Shroom gave 4 seeds.

Successful Watermelon seed reproduction
Who Seed Type Location Start Time End Time Heavy Metals pH Ground Water Nitrogen Potassium Soot Phosphorous Salinity Near water Elevation Other Notes (mushrooms, etc.)
Snoerr Set's Vintage -2803 -2730 3:40 PM 5:15 PM none 7.0240 start/end 99 start/end 100 start/end 109 0 104 0 -- -- Started when K dropped to 109 from 110, ended when K dropped to 108. Shortly after carrion spawn
Afrah Set's Vintage -2805, -2708 3:41 PM -- -- 7.008 -- 100 109 -- 101 -- -- -- After recent carrion despawn in area.
Snoerr Geb's Produce -2816 -2647 3:40 PM 3:45 PM none 6.4080 start/end 100 start/end 100 start/end 109 0 100 start / 99 end 0 -- -- Stopped after a couple of seeds. P had dropped from 100 to 99. Other factors remained the same.
Snoerr Isis' Bounty -2816 -2647 3:40 PM 3:45 PM none 6.4080 start/end 100 start/end 100 start/end 109 0 100 start / 99 end 0 -- -- Stopped after a couple of seeds. P had dropped from 100 to 99. Other factors remained the same.