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Revision as of 20:07, 10 May 2018

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In the interest of gathering data for each citrus type, please add to the charts below as you grow trees of each type. Tale Seven, Lilyoptra managed to determine the "ideal values" for each citrus type. This ideal leads to each citrus type (numbers closest to the ideal values for that fruit) and citrus adjectives (the value of those four which is farthest from the ideal for that fruit). For more detailed information on her work, please refer to: https://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Citrus_Tree_Data . I am going with her theory that "A tree is determined by taking the sum of the squares of the differences between the tree's attributes and each fruit's ideal attributes".

In language that I can understand a little easier:
One tree's actual values are put through this formula, comparing it to each tree type's ideal values. The result that gives the lowest number determines which tree species you've got.

(The difference between the actual color and the ideal color) squared
plus
(The difference between the actual sweetness and the ideal sweetness) squared
plus
(The difference between the actual size and the ideal size) squared
plus
(The difference between the actual length and the ideal length) squared


Of those four differences, the one which is farthest from ideal determines the fruit's adjective.

Amanatsu (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Amanatsu ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)


Buddha's Hand

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Greenish 486 728 612 533
Greenish 325 650 642 621
Greenish 486 650 642 533
Greenish 515 650 642 533
Greenish 515 650 727 533
Greenish 335 650 621 621
Large 667 650 811 533
Large 718 696 893 533
Large 637 650 822 533
Large 775 843 1000 686
Large 835 853 1000 714
Long 754 650 733 621
Long 624 650 642 587
Long 676 650 642 587
Long 760 735 900 716
Long 832 853 900 714
Reddish 637 650 822 533
Reddish 676 650 705 480
Reddish 676 650 705 534
Reddish 676 650 757 533
Reddish 687 650 754 533
Reddish 718 712 811 533
Reddish 718 696 692 533
Reddish 730 650 642 587
Reddish 740 650 642 587
Small 676 650 642 533
Small 701 650 642 441
Small 710 650 642 437
Small 730 782 612 533
Tangy 676 509 642 533
Tangy 678 509 642 533
Tangy 676 457 679 533
Tangy 489 457 623 542
Reddish 799 853 900 591
Reddish 855 670 900 591
Reddish 855 700 900 591
Reddish 855 752 900 591
Reddish 799 800 900 591
Reddish 855 710 900 591
Reddish 799 840 900 591
Reddish 799 809 900 591
Reddish 799 700 900 591
Reddish 939 650 715 533
Reddish 885 650 686 449
Reddish 867 650 900 591
Reddish 865 650 900 513
Reddish 865 650 900 533
Reddish 865 650 612 449
Reddish 865 644 686 513
Reddish 939 650 900 533
Reddish 885 551 828 533
Reddish 922 650 735 533

Attempting to come to some conclusions about ideal values for Buddha's Hand. (Pardon me while I think out loud and ramble a bit!) It is one of the starter fruits, so we have more data to look at. There are two sets of "Small" fruits which help a lot. I checked with the grower, and yes, the numbers are accurate.

  • Small: 710 color, 650 sweet, 642 size, 437 length <-- 642 size is very common so far, but this fruit is one where 642 size is the farthest from ideal, making the other three values closer to ideal.
  • Small: 730 color, 782 sweet, 612 size, 533 length <-- This fruit has the highest sweetness we've seen, and very high color, but "small" is still the value farthest from its ideal


Range for Buddha's Hand ideal values:

  • Color 557-649
  • Sweet 550-(sweet)
  • Size 688-970
  • Length (flat)-561

Calamondin (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Long Calamondin 172 537 612 533
Long Calamondin 211 537 612 533

Range for Calamondin ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-514

Citron

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 325 320 594 621
Large 486 107 612 704
Large 388 311 642 621
Long 325 182 408 621
Long 325 311 408 621
Long 486 182 408 522
Reddish 542 120 408 441
Reddish 515 178 408 533
Tangy 486 120 408 441
Long 325 311 405 621
Long 325 320 408 621
Long 325 246 408 621
Large 325 320 408 507
Large 325 311 408 484
Long 308 320 408 621
Long 279 246 408 621
Long 325 211 408 621
Long 279 246 408 599
Long 279 175 408 621
Long 279 226 408 621
Long 214 246 408 621
Long 325 246 394 621
Long 279 175 394 621
Long 279 127 394 621
Long 214 266 400 621
Long 220 240 401 623
Long 225 241 399 620
Long 222 240 395 621
Long 214 246 394 621
Greenish 201 208 375 479
Large 438 208 487 579
Large 251 208 487 529
Long 251 208 361 579
Large 251 208 477 579
Long 438 208 375 479
Long 214 111 315 626
Long 214 111 454 698
Large 325 311 458 429

Range for Citron ideal values:

  • Color 202-514
  • Sweet 120-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-397
  • Length (Flat)-478

Coralfruit (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Coralfruit ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Corian

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 532 728 408 441

Range for Corian ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-407
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Etrog

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 279 650 483 756
Tangy 279 246 394 768
Large 279 249 494 768
Large 279 246 408 768
Greenish 196 320 315 698
Greenish 190 320 315 698
Flat 214 320 315 592
Tangy 208 217 315 754
Tangy 276 320 315 754
Tangy 294 320 315 754
Tangy 232 217 315 892
Long 317 320 315 892
Long 276 320 315 892
Tangy 305 311 333 767
Long 250 311 333 907
Tangy 276 320 284 784
Long 276 320 315 935
Long 251 320 315 892
Long 317 320 315 892

Range for Etrog ideal values:

  • Color 197-(Reddish)
  • Sweet 330-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-407
  • Length 593-872

Grapefruit

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Greenish 676 171 612 507
Greenish 759 311 642 533
Greenish 710 192 612 533
Long 760 107 612 704
Greenish 676 311 642 450
Greenish 687 311 612 507
Greenish 687 320 710 507
Greenish 687 320 756 568
Greenish 695 311 612 507
Greenish 730 320 756 568
Long 837 320 843 514
Long 837 320 756 514
Small 730 107 495 478

Range for Grapefruit ideal values:

  • Color 760-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size 496-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-471

Iyokan (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Iyokan ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Kabosu

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Long 832 853 900 591
Long 861 862 900 591
Long 832 949 900 591
Long 832 863 900 586
Long 867 840 900 591
Long 860 853 900 591
Long 886 853 900 591
Long 939 853 900 591
Long 860 853 913 591
Long 860 853 900 596
Long 845 853 900 591
Long 819 853 900 591
Long 860 949 900 591
Long 855 800 930 591
Long 855 853 900 591
Long 843 853 900 591
Long 922 800 824 591
Long 939 735 715 533
Long 939 800 686 533
Long 939 800 593 533
Long 939 756 612 533
Tangy 981 650 735 533

Range for Kabosu ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-820
  • Sweet 650-831
  • Size (Small)-781
  • Length (Flat)-472

Kinnow (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Kinnow ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)


Kumquat

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Small 515 320 642 533
Long 383 331 751 704
Reddish 635 331 751 533
Small 486 311 642 533
Small 325 446 642 621
Tangy 399 311 751 533
Small 325 320 642 621
Small 515 320 642 533
Long 383 311 865 621
Small 531 320 718 542

Range for Kumquat ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-635
  • Sweet 311-(Sweet)
  • Size 737-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-621

Lemon

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Flat 699 650 642 621
Flat 676 650 642 621
Flat 676 650 612 621
Flat 515 457 623 617
Flat 544 650 471 621
Flat 719 650 642 642
Flat 754 647 642 621
Long 754 650 642 926
Greenish 279 509 612 756
Greenish 325 650 642 737
Greenish 481 650 471 621
Greenish 486 650 471 621
Reddish 754 650 642 746
Reddish 922 650 686 591
Reddish 887 650 686 591
Reddish 754 650 642 855
Reddish 754 650 642 804
Small 701 396 394 756
Large 754 650 792 746
Large 754 650 757 746
Large 754 650 753 746
Large 754 650 792 855
Large 754 650 721 746
Large 754 735 792 746
Large 754 668 792 855
Large 754 735 792 855
Large 706 735 900 822
Large 754 798 900 822
Large 754 695 792 822
Large 754 735 792 822
Large 767 798 900 822
Large 760 798 900 822
Large 754 843 949 822
Large 693 798 988 822
Large 767 843 934 822
Large 767 808 900 822
Large 758 808 900 822
Large 775 808 900 822
Large 754 655 792 746
Sweet 701 650 565 704
Sweet 699 650 612 746
Sweet 754 745 792 855
Sweet 754 735 754 855
Sweet 686 745 792 822
Sweet 754 745 754 822
Sweet 754 766 792 822
Sweet 754 745 792 746
Tangy 486 311 612 698
Tangy 486 320 594 720
Tangy 486 311 642 704
Tangy 621 311 705 621
Tangy 668 182 612 704
Tangy 676 320 612 622
Tangy 676 311 612 627
Tangy 676 311 642 756
Tangy 687 320 612 568
Tangy 687 320 756 632
Tangy 699 311 642 621
Tangy 699 311 612 621
Tangy 497 311 612 621
Tangy 429 311 621 760
Tangy 699 522 612 746
Tangy 754 311 642 621
Tangy 754 311 612 621
Tangy 676 354 612 621

Range for Lemon Ideal Values

  • Color: 325-701
  • Sweet: 522-627
  • Size: 394-721
  • Length: 706-926

Lenat

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Long 676 320 612 507
Long 676 407 542 507
Long 653 311 612 507
Long 676 311 642 441
Long 572 457 623 475
Long 531 320 623 485
Long 478 457 623 475
Long 531 457 623 475
Long 515 457 623 475
Long 531 320 623 429
Long 545 320 596 429

Range for Lenat ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-428

Lime

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 325 650 394 533

Range for Lime ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-394
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Mandarin (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Mandarin ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Orange

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 486 514 408 756

Range for Orange ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-408
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Oroblanco

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Tangy 676 182 757 841
Tangy 730 320 756 721
Flat 696 320 756 632
Flat 774 320 756 632
Flat 687 320 772 632
Greenish 754 503 792 746
Greenish 754 409 754 746
Greenish 754 503 792 814
Greenish 754 503 792 822
Greenish 716 503 900 855
Greenish 635 396 865 756
Large 754 503 900 855
Sweet 754 735 900 855
Sweet 760 735 900 822
Sweet 754 735 900 822
Sweet 784 798 900 822
Sweet 760 798 988 822
Sweet 767 798 988 822
Sweet 769 798 988 822
Sweet 767 798 988 873
Sweet 769 783 900 822
Sweet 775 843 1000 822
Sweet 767 843 1000 822
Sweet 767 843 1000 863
Sweet 832 843 900 822
Sweet 832 808 900 972
Sweet 832 843 900 942
Sweet 832 853 900 822
Sweet 832 708 900 822
Sweet 767 766 900 822
Sweet 832 853 907 822
Sweet 820 843 900 822
Sweet 832 853 907 822
Sweet 832 853 913 822
Sweet 832 776 900 822
Flat 837 353 802 632
Flat 837 320 802 632
Tangy 676 182 757 841
Tangy 676 182 757 889
Flat 939 551 715 533
Flat 939 650 686 591
Flat 893 650 900 591
Flat 939 551 900 533
Flat 939 650 810 591
Flat 983 650 900 591
  • Should be able to do some narrowing down on the value for Color.
Label Color Sweet Size Length
Greenish 754 409 754 746
Greenish 754 503 792 746

Looking at the sweetness values of 409 and 503, one possible ideal value for sweetness is 456. It is the closest number to both those values, at 47 points higher than 409, and 47 points lower than 503. But for both fruits, they are labelled Greenish, not Sweet or Tangy. Therefore, 754 must be more than 47 points below the ideal color for Oroblanco, making the ideal color at least 801.

  • The upper limit for Sweetness can also be dropped down a little bit:
Label Color Sweet Size Length
Sweet 754 735 900 855
Sweet 754 735 900 822

Looking at those two fruits, they are identical, except for their lengths of 855 and 822. The length of 838.5 is the closest to both numbers, at a difference of 16.5 from each. This means that the sweet value of 735 must be at least 16 points higher than the ideal, so the ideal value is at most 719.

Range for Oroblanco ideal values:

  • Color 801-1000
  • Sweet 320-708
  • Size (Small)-900
  • Length 707-(Long)

Pummelo (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Pummelo ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Rangpur

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 754 843 900 822
Large 754 843 900 822
Large 767 843 900 822
Large 716 843 900 822
Large 775 843 847 822
Large 767 928 900 822
Large 767 853 900 822
Large 780 853 907 822

Range for Rangpur ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
    • We have the color values of 716, 754 and 767. There are three possibilities.
      • 1) the ideal color is 716 or lower. This means that 767 is at least 51 points too high, and the fruit is still not reddish, because the size of 900 is more than 51 points too high.
      • 2) the ideal color is 767 or higher. This means that 716 is at least 51 points too low, and the fruit is still not greenish, because the size is more than 51 points too high.
      • 3) the ideal color is between 716 and 767. This would make 716 greenish and 767 reddish, except the fruit is labelled large because 900 is more than 25 points higher than its ideal size.
        No matter which of these three possibilities is true, the ideal size of Rangphur must be less than 875.
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
    • 843 is closer to ideal sweetness than 900 is to ideal size
  • Size (Small)-875
    • Regardless of the accuracy of the assumptions on ideal color, we know that 900 is at least 25 points too high, making the ideal size 875 or less.
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)
    • 822 is closer to ideal length than 900 is to ideal size

And then the next growth cycle produces a Large Rangpur with a size of 847....(its good mental exercise, right?)

Range for Rangpur Ideal Values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-847
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Shangjuan (no numbers reported)

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Example color sweet size length

Range for Shangjuan ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Sudachi

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 399 331 394 533
Large 486 331 612 516
Large 515 331 524 533
Large 515 331 473 621
Large 466 311 612 533
Large 515 320 546 533
Large 486 292 594 621
Large 616 311 542 507
Large 687 311 542 507
Large 695 311 542 507
Large 515 311 612 533
Large 429 311 621 621
Large 545 301 458 429
Large 524 311 408 434
Large 527 311 394 533
Long 546 311 408 621
Long 515 311 408 621
Long 497 311 408 621
Long 486 311 408 621
Long 429 311 394 621
Long 481 311 458 621
Reddish 676 311 474 627
Reddish 763 320 408 621
Reddish 730 182 495 587
Reddish 710 192 482 511
Reddish 676 311 473 621
Reddish 589 311 408 533
Reddish 676 286 408 621

Range for Sudachi ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-643
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-394
  • Length (Flat)-606

Summerbell

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Greenish 214 111 314 698
Greenish 232 111 315 698
Greenish 214 111 315 698
Greenish 149 111 315 698
Greenish 214 111 315 683
Greenish 214 111 315 799
Greenish 196 111 315 698
Greenish 253 111 315 698
Reddish 701 182 394 841
Tangy 214 0 394 698
Large 440 182 483 756
Large 486 35 408 841
Large 325 246 408 768
Large 325 246 394 768
Large 279 162 394 768
Large 524 225 400 621
Greenish 276 217 315 754
Greenish 276 217 315 784
Greenish 276 217 315 670
Large 425 311 364 767


Range for Summerbell ideal values:

  • Color 253-701
  • Sweet 0-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-268
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Logical attempt at determining the ideal size for Summerbell:

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 325 246 394 768
Large 279 162 394 768

For those two fruits, the size of 394 is farthest from ideal. This means that the Sweet values of 246 and 162 are closer to the ideal value for sweet. There are three possibilities for the ideal sweetness:

  • 1) The ideal sweetness MAY be 246. If this is the case, then 162 is 84 points lower than ideal. Since the fruits are labelled "Large" then their size is more than 84 points over ideal.
  • 2) The ideal sweetness MAY be 162. If this is the case, then 246 is 84 points higher than ideal. Since the fruits are labelled "Large" their size is still at least 84 points over ideal.
  • 3) The ideal sweetness is between 246 and 162, at 204, leaving 246 at 42 points higher than ideal, and 162 at 42 points lower than ideal. The fruits are labelled large, therefore their size it more than 42 points over ideal.
  • Regardless of which of the three above situations is correct, the ideal size must be more than 42 points lower than 394, giving us an ideal size value of 352 or less.

Using the same logic with the following values, the ideal size drops to 268 or lower.
Large 486 35 408 841
Large 325 246 408 768

Tangelo

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Reddish 486 182 698 704
Small 279 182 698 756
Flat 184 194 642 621
Flat 275 194 785 621
Flat 275 74 642 621

Range for Tangelo ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-486
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size 698-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Tangerine

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Tangy 331 650 621 621

Range for Tangerine ideal values:

  • Color (Greenish)-(Reddish)
  • Sweet 650-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-(Large)
  • Length (Flat)-(Long)

Yuzu

Label Color Sweet Size Length
Large 486 182 612 441
Long 287 182 408 441
Greenish 263 311 333 297
Long 214 111 526 533
Greenish 146 208 406 479
Large 134 208 589 479
Large 340 311 509 429

Range for Yuzu ideal values:

  • Color 263-(Reddish)
  • Sweet (Tangy)-(Sweet)
  • Size (Small)-588
  • Length (Flat)-440
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