Meshwesh Obelisk Club For Mature and Responsible Adults

General Information

Given that so many members of the other obelisk club (Meshwesh Obelisk Queue) have such a hard time remembering their first rule we have deemed it prudent that a new club be created officially

_{(their first rule is that clubs are optional)}

• The Meshwesh Obelisk Club For Mature and Responsible Adults accepts any who would like to join our ranks. There is no need to sign up or even write your name down.


• The guidelines for this club are shown at the bottom of this page. They were copied, with gratitude to our Kush brothers and sisters, from their club page (link removed at request of Kush citizen)


• If, in the course of attempting to pass the test in a non-jerk manner, you are overbuilt by an adherent of any other obelisk club we will condemn their discourteous conduct.
_{If other members are able, at their discretion and according to their resources, they may support you materially. Or maybe just give you moral support.}

Above all, stand tall in the knowledge that members of this club have just as much right to participate in the test of the obelisk as the members of any other club.

-- Grapeape, a founding member of the Meshwesh Obelisk Club For Mature and Responsible Adults

Please alert me if you notice any editing errors or areas in need of clarification

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Obelisk Recent Build History:

Desert Obelisks

Height	Character	Time Placed	Status
32	Grapeape - MOCMRA member	Passed
33	Stekki	Year 1, Akhet III-29, 1:54 PM	Passed
34	Kehra	-	Passed
35	Asud	-	Passed
36	Basmati	Year 1, Akhet IV-21	Passed
37	Gnarph	Year 1, Akhet IV-23, 2:10 PM	Passed
38	Rosenfeuer	Year 1, Akhet IV-28 6:40 PM	Passed
39	Sonnenfeuer	Year 1, Peret I-3 8:06 PM	Passed
40	Hands	Year 1, Peret I-8 11:12 PM	Passed
41	Estaar	Year 1. Peret I-14 12:09 AM	Passed
42	Slartibartfast	Year 1, Peret I-18ish, some time or other	Passed
43	Freeportkid		Passed
44	Cyndi	Year 1, Peret I-29 11:34 AM	Waiting for pass
45

Cut Stone Obelisks

Height	Character	Time Placed	Status
8	Sadvak	-	Passed
9	Kehra	-	Passed
10	Grapeape - MOCMRA member	-	Overbuilt by Freeportkid
11	Freeportkid - Affiliation Unclear	-	Overbuilt Grapeape, Passed
12	Grapeape	Peret I-18 8:33am	Passed.
13	Modius	Peret I-28 4:47am	Overbuilt by region change, next one is size 15

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Club F.A.Q

Doesn't that mean you'll have people building over each other ALL THE TIME?? Isn't that bad for Meshwesh?

Well, you can still use some basic courtesy. But it's a choice. If you're a jerk, someone's likely to be a jerk to you. If you're polite, you're more likely to have people be polite to you. But there's no formal system. No one's running the show. It's up to you to decide how deferential you want to be, and up to you to deal with the social consequences (for better or worse) of your choices.

Okay, so if I want to be a jerk, I can just build whatever obelisk I want, whenever I want, and there won't be any consequences?

No - read above. You'll probably tick people off, and then they'll probably be a jerk to you. That's for you to deal with, if you go that route.

So, how would I go about making sure I'm NOT seen as a jerk?

Well, the first thing to do would be to meditate on obelisks and figure out if the tallest that has been seen by the Meshwesh is currently waiting to pass. There are a few ways you could do this:

• run out to the obelisk, see who built it, and message the person to see if they've passed yet
• obelisks will tell you if they've met their goal (ie passed)
• check this page to see if anyone has posted the obelisk you're meditating on, and whether they posted that it passed
• check Meshwesh Discord channel to see if anyone's posted the very obelisk that you're meditating on, and whether they posted that it passed

If it's already passed, then you build. It's that simple!

How can I reduce the chances that someone else will overbuild ME?

The more people know that you've built, the less likely you are to be overbuilt. You could:

• Announce that you've built in Meshwesh faction chat
• Post, or ask someone to post, your obelisk size, time of build and projected time of passing on this page in the recent obelisk history section.
• Post, or ask someone to post, your obelisk size, location, time of build and projected time of passing in Meshwesh Discord channel.

Ugh, I hate Discord, do I have to use it?

Nope. No one's requiring you to do anything. But it may be the easiest/best place for you to 1) get information on who's built recently and 2) post your build to reduce the likelihood of someone overbuilding you by accident.

What if two people both want to build 'next' after the current obelisk passes? Who gets to?

There are no rules for this. No one gets to 'claim' the next build spot in advance. You either come to an amicable agreement....or it's a race. (And if the loser of the race wants to be a jerk, it could turn into a war, if you let it.)

So....why are you so against queues?

There are many reasons various people don't support a queue. Those reasons may include the following beliefs:

• Queues are inherently unfair. The listmaker's close friends obtain early, low cost spots on the list. Others not so well connected end up with spots months out with high build costs. There's no justification for this.
• Queues remove all possibility for competitive behavior. The test was originally intended to be a competitive one, and even if people choose to be polite to fellow builders, the option for open competition should be there.
• Queues are either unenforceable, or require elders to waste banish powers on petty obelisk disputes.
• Queues force you to commit to be ready to build on some random day, possibly months away, when you have no idea what you'll really be doing then.
• If the 'next in queue' person is offline at the time they are supposed to build, how long do you wait for them to come back before 'skipping' them in line? Do they get to jump back into line when they return? It's a management nightmare, and wastes the time of others who are ready to build immediately.
• Not having a queue rewards and prioritises those who make the effort to stay informed and prepare themselves for a timely build. Queues, on the other hand, simply reward the fastest to sign up.